Man shopping with rifle, Glock at Utah JC Penney "pretty much an idiot"

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jc penney man with rifle, glock Via Cindy Yorgason

Via Cindy Yorgason

If you have to bring big, dangerous guns to a store to prove that "they are not dangerous in the hands of law abiding citizens," then that pretty much proves that they are dangerous... in anyone's hands.

Stay-Away-Warning

If you have to scare the pants off of shoppers with your intimidating AR-15, your Glock, and your abundance of ammo to prove they're not scary, then they're scary.

holy crap

Just ask Cindy Yorgason, who was shopping at a Utah JC Penney store when she glanced up and saw Mr. 22-Year-Old Gun Guy standing in front of her schlepping a big ol' rifle. Then she noticed his ammunition clips and another firearm in his holster. So what's an unnerved woman to do? She grabbed a couple of photos and posted them on Facebook.

They went viral.

The Salt Lake City Tribune (link isn't working, sorry) is reporting that a clerk refused him service and all nearby customers wanted to "get away" from him. Gee, can't imagine why.

Gun Guy had been in the military, had a concealed-carry permit, and had checked with police dispatch prior to his little outing. They confirmed to him that he had the right to parade around with his oh-so-harmless portable arsenal, which he says he carries to protect his kids and everyone else from "criminals, cartels, drug lords" and other "evil men."

As Olive Oyl would say, "What a man!"

At least that's what he seems to think of himself.

my hero olive oyl

Wait... so there are no evil women? And who knew drug lords shopped at JC Penney?

Yorgason said the following about The Self-Appointed Protector: "I thought that he was pretty much an idiot. You do not need to do something like this even if you are against any potential bans."

nuff said

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  • Jamie Norwood

    To be clear, AFAIK the store didn't 'allow' this, nor really did the police. He called the police and asked if it was legal, which they can't really say no to (Stupid, frightening, and unpleasant, but I sadly don't think illegal). The article says the store refused him service, which is about as much as they can do, and probably initiating a conflict with an armed man isn't high on their to do list for minimum wage sales employees.

  • DrunkenOrangetree

    So I should carry an unloaded assault weapon around as a fashion accessory? Why? It makes this guy's ass look too big, and his brain too small. Not a good look.

  • eastcoastlib

    My grand dad was in law enforcement. He told me,  as a civilian, never bring a weapon along unless you're planning to use it.   Bad things tend to happen. 

  • Peter Jung

    This guy reminds me of the yahoos in Arizona who showed up with firearms when Obama's health care plan was being discussed in community forums. If you need to carry an assault weapon to a meeting full of unarmed senior citizens, you are pretty much conceding that you're incapable of articulating a sensible argument for your point of view. And you have a small weenie.

  • eastcoastlib

    Does anyone have any doubt that if a group of Mexican kids waltzed into JC Penny with assault weapons strapped to their backs, SWAT would have been on the scene in minutes? 

  • eastcoastlib

    This is an awesome idea.  Suppose other people bring their arsenal to JC Penny, you know, for protection.  Suppose a large group of males, young men, of a certain complexion, come in with their guns and ammo?  I can see no reason this would result in something bad happening.  

  • David G

    And the purpose of carrying and unloaded assault weapon is...?  Fear?  And I placed a call the local (as local as it gets in my section of Los Angeles and you absolutely cannnot carry any weapon in public unless you have a concealed weapon permit... So either way, it doesn't matter, but my second amendment rights also provide for me to NOT carry weapon -- and that's my choice... I have no problem with you holding the opposite position, but this all started with the picture of this guy and I'd still do the same thing if it happened in my state -- call the police immediately and lodge a complaint as I am scared of guns.  And I have a right as well to not be put in a position of danger by this assault weapon carrier.  I'll let the police handle that situation.  But I appreciate your time and corrections...  DG

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

     Shawn are you having difficulty distinguishing between a deadly military weapon and an unarmed human being?  There is no constitutional amendment that covers bare hands. So it is your argument that is disingenuous.

    And my post included nothing about my wish for him to be arrested.  It was not part of the story at all, as you said. Fear was. Intimidation was. The unnecessary display of firearms was. The response to him by everyone around him was. His delusions about protecting JC Penney from drug lords was.

    Nor has nobody questioned "gun ownership." You sound a little paranoid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shawn-Alley/1038716389 Shawn Alley

     "Whether he should have been arrested is a different story" No it's no part of the story at all. There was nothing to arrest him over, he broke no law, he just "made some people uneasy".

    Ask a lady walking down a deserted street approaching a group of dangerous looking men if they are "weapons" or not. You can be killed with someone's bare hands so your arguments that those were just people and not weapons is disingenuous. At any rate you live in a society where gun ownership is a right so I suggest you get used to it or move to a country where they are banned perhaps?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shawn-Alley/1038716389 Shawn Alley

    Did you know people could carry unloaded assault weapons around in your state? Thanks to his action now you do. If you don't like it I suggest you contact your state representatives. The only thing foolish is the hysteria I'm seeing in the comments here. You should go out and shoot, hang out at a range and then perhaps someone standing there with an unloaded weapon strung over their shoulder won't make you fear for your life. As I'm carrying concealed I would not fear for mine ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shawn-Alley/1038716389 Shawn Alley

     First, it's fun to see you idiots falling over yourselves to insult him with comments that have nothing to do with his carrying guns. Always nice to confirm that liberals are the biggest asshats around when it comes to vitriolic, hateful, moronic comments.

    Second, how do you justify being so absolutely morally and intellectually bankrupt? Citizens exercising their 2nd amendment rights is offensive to you but freeloaders sitting around occupying public spaces resulting in millions of dollars of cleanup was applauded.  Interestingly you will fight ruthlessly to uphold parts of the constitution you agree with (or at least the least offensive parts) but in the same breath will slam people for exercising rights that you disagree with. And congratulations on hitting 55,000,000 (that's 55 million for those of you too stupid to read the number) abortions after your righteous victory 40 years ago Roe v Wade. It's telling you support the practice that is responsible for carelessly murdering more people than guns will ever kill (outside of war) for the rest of the history of our race... But, it's a legal right so unlike you hypocrites I'll accept it.

    Interestingly, lawfully carrying his weapons has elicited debate from you morons. Would you be discussing any of this otherwise?

  • shanob

    Imagine if some black guy tried to do this.

  • Jerry

    OK, let's try some scenarios here:

    1. Heavily-armed guy shows up in JC Penney and makes no threats, overt or otherwise. (This seems to be the actual event.)

    2. H-A-G shows up in JC Penney and hangs around all day for no obvious reason.

    3. H-A-G engages people in conversation about the rapid-fire ability of his weapon.

    4. H-A-G engages people in conversation about how his weapons compares to others used in mass shootings.

    5. H-A-G talks about how people piss him off sometimes and some day he'll really do something about it.

    6. H-A-G waits in line and says in a loud voice, "if we don't get some service here, there's going to be big trouble."

    7. H-A-G says to some random shopper, "I really don't like your face."

    8. H-A-G talks about how he admires some mass shooters for having the courage of their convictions.

    Which of these would you consider actually threatening  Most of us, I imagine, would say all of them.

  • dbk

     He realizes it.  He loves it.  It makes him feel important, just like the gun makes him feel like his penis is adequate.

  • dbk

     So you're afraid of black people?  The racism behind the gun nuts always rears its ugly head at some point, if they pretend to "discuss" the subject long enough.  Sure, you could claim you were only trying to make a point, but isn't it interesting that the first thing you reach for is "black man" as a "frightening thing" (and very nice how black men become "things", to use your words).  There are lots of frightening things int he world, and you might have used any of them for your comparison, but you just naturally assumed people are afraid of black people and then call them "things".  Keep going.  You'll get all tangled up again I am sure and show your true colors.

  • Aaron Fown

    No, you guys were conflating the presence of scary things with actual violence. And, in this comment, you are also conflating the potential of something to facilitate murder with an actual murder weapon. 

  • cambridgemac

     Like the old joke about the parrot, NO.  I'm afraid of the demented straignt white man.  If the gun were there by itself I'd feel ok.

  • cambridgemac

     umm... You're conflating being black with carrying a weapon of mass murder...  Let's start with the difference between ethnicity and behavior....

  • Aaron Fown

    Good! We've reached an accord on whether fear alone should be grounds to arrest people. Progress! No, guns don't really scare me. For instance, I've also managed to walk around NYC without being terrified by all of those guys carrying machine guns and big nasty rifles!  Though that might have just been because I wasn't one of those aforementioned young black men. I understand they find heavily armed NYC cops threatening for some reason.

    However, I must say that I have somehow managed to handle and shoot a rifle without killing large groups of people. Who knows, it might have been defective.

  • Bugboy

    These clowns might want to think twice about trying this in Florida, where the so called "stand your ground" laws allow you to shoot someone if you feel threatened.    I dunno, maybe walking around a store with a gun might seem kind of threatening, ya think?  

    Here in Florida, all it took was a black kid mouthing off to get his ass shot and killed by some drunk shithead at a convenience store, and he's claiming "stand your ground".  I suppose this guy thinks his buzz cut and lily white skin is going to have any street cred?  If a "drug lord" is going to take him down that stupid toy won't do him any good.  He's gotta sleep sometime...

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

     Unarmed black men aren't weapons, they're men. A punk wearing an accessorized jacked isn't a weapon, he's a punk. An assault weapon is a firearm that is used exclusively to kill groups of people. Hence, people seeing one often feel fear, especially in an arena in which it's unusual to see one.

    Because you don't feel fear, Aaron, doesn't mean most people didn't. As you can see from my post, it was reported that everyone around him felt afraid enough to "want to get away from him." So bravo to you for being able to tolerate someone openly carrying large firearms, that's fine. But most people find it unnerving.

    Whether he should have been arrested is a different story. He got clearance, so it was legal. But legal or not, it made the people near him afraid. That part is fact.

  • Aaron Fown

    That's hilarious, I can recall a few years ago someone coming to the 24 hour movie marithon dressed up as Leatherface, chainsaw and all. It was ridiculous and over the top (and kind of stunk of gas), but not illegal, and I never felt threatened.

    I continue to contend that carrying a black rifle around is ridiculous, and he looks like a damn fool, but once again just because you are scared doesn't make it illegal. Apparently the police department agrees with me on that point.

    Another correlary; if seeing a young black man walking around your neighborhood makes you scared for your safety, are you justified in calling the police on him? Is he guilty of assault? How about a punk with lots of chains and spikes on his jacket? How about a person with Coulrophobia; can they call the police on the circus and have the clown car arrested for assault?

    You can be afraid of anything that you choose. Unless and until someone is making threats against you or is actually hurting you, you can piss your pants or pound sand. But you can't get someone arrested for hurting your feelings.

  • gc.wall

    Eleven or less mpg vehicles, parking in handicapped spaces when not actually handicapped, carrying weapons when shopping, littering and a disturbing lack of humility are all symptoms of the same disease, life threatening emotional immaturity.

    He might not realize that when people see him in public places, outfitted in such a manner, they think "What is wrong with that guy?"

  • David G

    Thanks, Jerry. We're not in the wrong country nor at the wrong time... It's just prudent to be cautious and foolish to be incendiary... and an assault weapon, legal or not, slung over one's shoulder is not putting people at ease, nor protecting this man... By the time he could unshoulder it, switch off the safety (assuming he had it on) and aiming, he's going to be dead. So what's his purpose other than to provoke?  This was was a foolish man doing a silly thing.  But it just helps those of us who wish to see valid background checks, the curtailing of non-registered weapons and the further sale of assault weapons.    DG

  • Jerry

     David's reply was more thoughtful.  Here's mine, more visceral:  I've got a chainsaw that I use to trim trees and shrubs sometimes.  In my backyard it's no threat to anyone, except maybe me if I'm careless.  But if I tote that thing into a movie theater, that's menacing to any sane person, with or without pearls.

  • David G

    Aaron, respectfully, I believe you're mistaken about the law. * Putting anyone in fear for their personal safety is criminal assault.* In all fifty states... the ability to carry a gun is also legal, in all fifty states with some regulations/restrictions... In a public store, with a rifle slung over one's shoulder and obviously not for personal protection nor hunting, this can be considered criminal assault. It's not how you feel about it, it's how the victim can reasonably feel about it. If this man wanted protection, he could have carried a gun which he would have had time to draw and confront an attacker. He couldn't do so with a rifle in an instantaneous attack. So change the rules? I'm trying as are many. I don't want you guns, I want my safety. If you need a gun for protection and it's legal, go ahead, but the moment you pull it out in public and I fear for my safety, you'll be confronted by police. And you can count on that. Pearl clutcher? I think not. Realist and concerned American, I believe so. And I'll also stand next to you to uphold your rights to kiss your boyfriend in public. It's the liberals who will be your protection, not the right wing nuts who are a danger to society. With great respect, DG

  • Jerry

     Totally agree.  No matter how legal the *gun* is, his menacing behavior is not.  If I have that wrong, I think I'm living in the wrong country.

  • Aaron Fown

    It's a good thing that just being afraid isn't sufficient to charge someone with assault. Otherwise I might be charged with assault for kissing my boyfriend in front of some pearl-clutching church lady.

    I think what really frightens me is that pearl clutchers like you think that things that scare you are, or should be, illegal. If you don't like open carry, lobby to change the law. Until then, people are free to make fools of themselves carrying any damn gun they choose, regardless of how afraid you are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=514204852 Leah Doner

    Yeah, it's not like anything's ever happened to make people scared of the sight of a guy in street clothes carrying a big-ass military-grade rifle and enough ammo to take out a classroom of dangerous kids.

  • Mark Williams

    Are we really this scared of the sight of a weapon?

  • Deacon Blues

     That's why *you* should be armed, too! /snark

  • http://twitter.com/al2o3cr Matt Jones

    Look, ya gotta do *something* to rebuild confidence while you're returning the "Extra Small" condoms for being too big...

  • judybrowni

    Because Lord knows, J.C. Penney is infested with “criminals, cartels, drug lords.”

    If we still had one in my neighborhood, I wouldn't enter without a hand grenade or two.

  • dbk

    Small penis=big gun

  • http://www.facebook.com/dale.craig.395 Dale Craig

    buying a codpiece would be cheaper....

  • David G

    That ends my shopping at JC Penny, at least in Utah.  What a terrible judgement for the store to allow this -- I would feel less safe. DG

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

     Unfortunately, he had their blessing. He called the cops ahead of time.

  • David G

    Here's where I'd call a cop and report that this man has, by arming himself in public committed criminal assault -- putting me in a fear for my life.  That is the definition of "assault" and possibly the addition of "with a deadly weapon."  It would be "battery" if he actually used it.  You don't have to strike someone to be in violation of criminal assault.  You must realistically pose a threat.  I'd let this picture settle that argument.  DG

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G7EYTJGXSM2AF4SLQEFSURBZSI Dennis

    This clown needs to shove that that thing down the front of his pants so he can impress his girl friend. Oh wait, are there any girls who are or might be interested in a eunuch? These fools accomplish nothing more that to prove that they are narcissitic adolescents. LOOK AT MEEEEEE please. Makes you wish for time travel so you could perform retroactive birth control.

  • pigboy

    Recreational assault weapons fire riddles Ohio home, narrowly misses officer
     
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/17/recreational-assault-weapons-fire-riddles-ohio-home-narrowly-misses-officer/

  • lsamsa

    Okay...so all the other people going about their business are supposed to recognize that this knob is a 'good guy', therefore not to worry.
    What...after these self-serving morons parade around wearing their guns like some badge of honour...is stopping someone who is contemplating a killing spree from just doing the same thing??
    How are people supposed to 'know' who is the 'good guy' and who is the 'bad guy'?
    This isn't Hollywood or 50's teevee where the ridiculous 'white hat/white horse vs black hat/black horse' is real life.
    This guy & the two in Portland have no interest in anything but themselves, not to mention having given a huge opportunity for someone with a killing agenda to pretend they're doing the exact same thing...before they open fire.

  • http://twitter.com/cmartin002 Colette

    Well,  you don't. You're supposed to trust him. Makes total sense right? 

  • http://twitter.com/jamiedsongs Jamie

    So how does anyone know that *this* guy isn't going to open fire on a bunch of people in the store??

  • http://twitter.com/POCHO_CHOLO Emilio

    To protect his family from "“criminals, cartels, drug lords”??? What kind of shady business is this guy in to? He's should worry about the IRS more than the ATF. Dummy

  • http://nefariousnewt.blogspot.com NefariousNewt

    In this moment, where these gun-driven mass murders are occurring with alarming frequency, how long until one of these "I can carry my guns anywhere I want" types is shot and killed by a cop or security guard because the authority thinks they are an imminent threat and they won't relinquish their weapons?

  • http://twitter.com/cmartin002 Colette

    I want to be the first to send my condolences to his girlfriend. She must be over at Brookstone looking for a personal massage device.