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Guardian: Human fetus feels no pain before 24 weeks, study says


Pfft, what do scientists and doctors know? It's belief that counts, not facts and findings! Just ask anyone on ClusterFox:

Finding in major review of scientific evidence strikes blow to those seeking to reduce upper time limit for abortion.

The human foetus feels no pain before 24 weeks, according to a major review of scientific evidence published today.

The connections in the foetal brain are not fully formed in that time, nor is the foetus conscious, according to the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

The findings of two reports commissioned by the Department of Health strike a blow to those seeking to reduce the upper time limit for having an abortion, currently at 24 weeks.

The studies suggest that late abortions, permitted for serious abnormalities or risks to a woman's health, do not result in foetal suffering because of increasing evidence that the chemical environment in the uterus induces "a continuous sleep-like unconsciousness or sedation".

It often feels like extremists are also in a continuous sleep-like unconsciousness or sedation. This is a touchy subject, and it should go without saying that many with opposing views are not extremists. By extremists, I'm referring to the Scott Roeders of the world, those who call themselves "pro-life" when they're clearly not.

When there is evidence on one side and belief on the other, one would think that actual evidence would make a difference in altering even long-held attitudes when it comes to cases in which the mother's health and/or life are factors

Of course the argument is that a human life is being terminated. That is a debate that will continue, but at least the pain argument seems to have been knocked down.

By the way, assassinations terminate life, too, and we don't need scientific evidence to prove that.

H/t: physiologyprof


Scott Roeder sentenced to life


By GottaLaff

Sometimes things turn out the way they should. Via an e-mail alert:

Scott Roeder, an antiabortion extremist who shot and killed Dr. George Tiller, one of a handful of American physicians who performed late-term abortions, was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 50 years in a Wichita, Kan., courtroom Thursday.

Roeder was convicted on Jan. 29 of premeditated murder for shooting Tiller in the head during a Sunday church service in Wichita.

A former airport shuttle driver with ties to anti-tax groups, Roeder was sentenced to an additional 24 months on two counts of aggravated assault for threatening to kill two church ushers who tried to stop him as he fled Reformation Lutheran Church after the shooting May 31.

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By GottaLaff

Via an e-mail alert:

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) Jurors reach verdict in murder case involving Kansas abortion provider's slaying.

Per MSNBC just now, a nearly instantaneous, 15-minute verdict:

First degree murder.

As if there was ever a doubt, reasonable or otherwise.

"Pro-Life". Right.

UPDATE via an e-mail from the L.A. Times:

In a trial that never became the referendum on abortion that some abortion foes wanted, a Wichita, Kan., jury today convicted Scott Roeder of murdering George Tiller, one the nation's few physicians who performed late-term abortions.

The jury of seven men and five women deliberated for only 37 minutes.

Whether Roeder shot Tiller at point blank range in the forehead in the foyer of Tiller's church in Wichita last May was never at issue; Roeder had admitted it to reporters, in court filings and finally to a jury on Thursday. He also said he had been stalking Tiller since at least 1999.

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UPDATE, via MSNBC: Prosecutors asking for life with no parole for 50 years. He'll be 101.


Judge rejects 'necessity defense' in Tiller killer abortion case


By GottaLaff

Ordinarily, I'd assume this was a gimme, but given today's political climate, I'm more relieved than anything:

WICHITA, Kan. – A judge ruled Tuesday that Kansas law doesn't allow a so-called "necessity defense" in the trial of a man charged with killing one of the nation's few late-term abortion providers.

The decision was another blow to lawyers for 51-year-old Scott Roeder, who has confessed to shooting Dr. George Tiller on May 31 and says it was necessary to save "unborn children." [...]

In his ruling, Judge Warren Wilbert cited a 1993 criminal trespassing case involving an abortion clinic in which the Kansas Supreme Court said that allowing a person's personal beliefs to justify criminal activity to stop a law-abiding citizen from exercising his rights would "not only lead to chaos but would be tantamount to sanctioning anarchy."

Darned activist judges. He must be one of us Commie gay abortionists.

He noted abortion is legal and told attorneys he found it difficult to consider the shooting of Tiller in the back of a church on a Sunday morning, with no overt act by Tiller himself, as an act spurred by an imminent threat of death or bodily harm.

Abortion is legal. Abortion is legal.

Abortion. Is. Legal.

However, Wilbert told attorneys he would "leave the door open" to consider later whether to allow specific evidence on the use of force for the defense of another person before letting the jury hear it.

"That doesn't mean it is wide open ... we can discuss it," Wilbert said.

One's beliefs do not justify murder.

A difference of opinion does not justify murder.

Abortion is legal. The doctor who performed the abortions in question did so legally. The sick beast who assassinated Dr. Tiller did so illegally. Dr. Tiller was living and breathing and practicing medicine legally... until Roeder murdered him.

So much for the hypocrisy of being "pro-life".