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"We seem to have reached the point where we are discussing the value of torture rather than its morality."



Today's L.A. Times letters to the editor, because our voices matter:

Re "Bin Laden movie heats up CIA torture debate," Dec. 14

With the arrival of "Zero Dark Thirty," a dramatization of the hunt for Osama bin Laden, we seem to have reached the point where we are discussing the value of torture rather than its morality.

We have moved from being a country that thrilled to James Cagney resisting Nazi torture to protect the secrets of D-day ("13 Rue Madeleine") to one that seemingly will embrace torture if it works. We were a country that condemned Hitler for the heinous invasion of Poland; just recently, we invaded Iraq on the pretext that we have a unilateral right to preemptive war.

And those who promote these new values claim the mantle of being the real Americans.

Robert Silver

Los Angeles


Questions: Does anyone dispute the fact the CIA has systematically tortured captives? Is there any reason to believe that members of the Senate Intelligence Committee had no knowledge of it? Hasn't torture long been a crime under both U.S. and international law? Why aren't those who authorized torture and the committee members who failed to stop it being prosecuted? And what's to prevent future cases of torture if today's perpetrators aren't prosecuted?

Jon K. Williams

Goleta, Calif.


I am deeply troubled that anyone would suggest there's a debate on the efficacy of torture.

In 1941, my father was waterboarded by the Japanese in Shanghai. He confessed that he was a British agent. It wasn't true, but at that moment, he would have signed anything to end his ordeal. Irrespective of whether the information garnered by torture turns out to be true, torture is a crime.

In 1948, the Japanese officer responsible for waterboarding my father was tried and convicted at a war crimes trials in Hong Kong. That same standard should be applied to the Americans who ordered or took part in waterboarding.

Ernest A. Canning

Thousand Oaks


Many GOP "Christians" are "moralistically repugnant and anything but Christian."


Today's L.A. Times letter to the editor, because our voices count:

A rush to judge on Norway

Re "Terror from the right," Editorial, July 26

Many Republican lawmakers today identify themselves as Christians and characterize their base as Christian. Yet I find their insistence on lower taxes for corporations and the rich and their blind refusal to grant gays the benefits inherent in the right of marriage, which many of us take for granted, moralistically repugnant and anything but Christian.

To me, a true Christian tries to be Christlike, giving relief to the poor, empathizing with others and lending a helping hand whenever possible.

Elevating pseudo-moralistic bombast to the point at which little kids march against gay marriage, and continuing two unwinnable wars costing billions, while proclaiming the need to cut domestic aid programs for our neediest citizens is to me not only un-Christian and illogical but totally terrifying.

Janis Hansen Klinger

Sherman Oaks


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