Does size matter?

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For the past twenty-four hours, there have been nasty, abusive comments left here at TPC, stemming mostly from my post about an announcement that was made at the One Nation rally declaring that their crowd was larger than Glenn Beck's Restore Whatever event.

Before I continue, please note: We now have a "Guidelines" tab at the top of the page. Apparently, many RWNJs either can't read or choose to ignore them, even when I've linked them to the rules in Comments. Those who refuse to remain civil, insist on baiting, name-calling, sticking to nothing but talking points, or if they engage in the usual "socialist/commie/Marxist labels, those Commenters will  get deleted and/or banned.

But back to the issue at hand. While it is a visual indicator of enthusiasm and support, the size of a crowd isn't as important as the content, message, and tone of the event.

At One Nation, there wasn't a single Hitler sign; there was no message of hate; the diversity was apparent and contrasted with the Beck monochromatic-itude (hence, the nickname Whitestock); there was a distinct absence of overblown religious zealotry. Instead, we heard about education-- a lot about education-- putting America back to work, justice, equality, and bringing Americans together, not dividing them.

The contrast between the look and feel of the two rallies was painfully obvious. Beck supporters are telling us that his rally was all about love and god. That's probably true: their god. "Us" v. "them". But if it was all about love, if that's what his followers are telling us is the overriding theme, then why are the comments under my posts so hateful and nasty? Why do they want "to put [their] boot on the likes of" me? If that's their religion, then they better start questioning who and what they really believe in.

Issues are what matter, people matter, this country matters, lives matter. Size? It may matter some, but not where it really counts.

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  • Marnie

    Yeah there's been a lot of union violence against political rallies lately, and in decades even before lately.

    Union violence is usually directed toward an employer or union breakers.

  • Marnie

    I'm having a brain drain and can't think of the name of the Black university that the national guard shot up a few weeks after Kent State.
    The police and federal agents openly murdered a number of black radical leaders in the 60's and early 70's. If I remember one of those was the lead in to the Chicago riots.

  • You better tell the police, fire depts and teachers that you think they're

    thugs.

  • Here are some of the "uplifting" signs and placards I saw in photographs of the event: “Bush did it!” “Hate, Lies, Greed The Republican Way,” “Freedom Socialist Party,” “Capitalism is falling, Socialism is the alternative,” “Let’s TEACH Fat [New Jersey Governor Chris] Christie a Lesson in 2013,” “Arrest Bush,” “Abolish capitalism,” “Reparations now!” “Socialist Party USA,” “SocialistAlternative.org,” “Socialism for the 21st Century,” SocialistWorker.org,” “International Socialist Organization,” “Freedom Socialist,” “Voz de la Revolucion,” “Communist Party USA,” and “USMLO.”

    Yeah... those represent traditional American values.

    Who is kidding who here? The event was full of union members who were forced to attend, and every socialist organization in the book. The former did not have the courage to tell the union thugs no, and the latter are looking for handouts from the nation's producers.

    And, collectively, it looks the much smaller crowd left a much bigger mess than did the Tea Party and Beck events. Apparently socialists are slobs.

  • The guns are for protection against union thugs with clubs.

  • Actually, I wrote this when I thought our numbers were over 100K.

  • YFS

    Funny how size mattered until you guys found out you were lacking. I've seen more people at my local Sunday market, and nobody gets bussed in there by unions.

  • As opposed to the trash, religious zealots, racists, and white-wing

    extremists at the Beck rally. Yes, that is a contrast all right.

  • Pavel205

    Uh, well, yes, size does matter. And I would even say diversity matters. "One nation" certainly had a diversity of socialist groups ( I'm not labeling them, just copying their signs), as well as a great diversity of trash.

  • Memyselfandi

    Size matters when it comes to getting out the vote!! Go GOP!!!!!!!!!!

  • Marnie

    Immoral Minority linked to an article in the MatSu valley Frontiersman newspaper http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2010/10/03/opinion/editorials/doc4ca56f1fc4fc5146719429.txt.

    Apparently it took nearly 100K hate and violence filled comments from the Palinestas, regarding the young man Shawn Christy, for that Alaskan news paper to "get it." about Palin's fans.
    As many of their friends and neighbors and others across the "small city" of Alaska that Sarah has stabbed in the back and hounded you'd think they would have caught on by now that Sarah would have taken that approach to a national level.

  • Marnie

    Immoral Minority linked to an article in the MatSu valley Frontiersman newspaper http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2010/10/03/opinion/editorials/doc4ca56f1fc4fc5146719429.txt.

    Apparently it took nearly 100K hate and violence filled comments from the Palinestas, regarding the young man Shawn Christy, for that Alaskan news paper to "get it." about Palin's fans.
    As many of their friends and neighbors and others across the "small city" of Alaska that Sarah has stabbed in the back and hounded you'd think they would have caught on by now that Sarah would have taken that approach to a national level.

  • size doesnt matter squat, its the people's passion for their beliefs. So sad good progressives (I LOATHE THAT WORD) have to use size as some kind of accomplishment. I've got a small pee pee, but believe me, it does its job. U can scream and yell, but the silent voice, is the one writing the best seller.

  • Ringleader, you've gone and proved our point for us.

    We owe you one.

    But watch it, you name-called. That gets you deleted.

    However, since you helped us out here, proving that negativity and rudeness

    comes from trolls like you, we'll let it stand.

  • Ringleader

    lol - The Political Wimp.

    The ultimate decider on Does Size Matter will be when we hear the results on 2010-11-03.

    Till then - Stay Wimpy!

  • Jan

    I agree with Laffy, I am a senior citizen and I read mostly Liberal Blogs

    but I do read some of the the Conservative Blogs since I am an

    Independent voter. In the last 24 hours I have seen some of the most mean

    and hateful comments that I have seen in a very long time on all of the blogs.

    It is almost like the tea partiers' heads are exploding.

    The One Nation Rally was a wonderful event. I watched it on C Span from the beginning

    until the end and what I saw was a beautiful patchwork quilt of all colors which is how

    America looks. The rally had a lot of love and hope for the country, and no hate.

    This rally showed us the difference between love and hate and it showed us what the

    tea party stands for. The tea partiers are afraid.

  • Again, trolls, read the guidelines. If all you have to offer are baiting, insulting comments, you get deleted and/or banned.

  • Americaneocon

    Clearly, size doesn't matter if it makes lefties look like idiots.

  • Walt

    We can argue about the size of the crowd and all that. But I think what is really telling is the diversity of the crowd. You saw every type of American out there. Because THAT is what America is. While the right likes to think America was founded for white judeo-christians, the United States Constitution says differently. That has always been the strength of our country. Diversity, tolerance, fairness, sense of community, and social justice. Not me, myself, and I. And as long as the those who follow the "me, myself, and I" leaders they will always be on the wrong path.

    Yesterday's rally's message was about fellow Americans coming together as one nation. Where as the Tea Party/Republican's message is all about divisiveness and "taking back America." From who? Fellow Americans?

  • Huda

    You and all who care about their countrymen and women regardless of race, religion, creed or even political ideology must be doing something mighty good to get to these sad misguided individuals. I'm happy to see Americans not standing on the sideline while their country is led by individuals who have only bigotry and greed. I and my friends who have duel citizenship might come down for Stewart and Colbert rally, I hope at lease 3 million Americans show up 3 days before the election. Democrats might not be the progressive many of you want, but they are far better than the alternative.

    As Maher said: those who voted for Obama should know the difference between a friend whom they are disappointed in and a mortal enemy who does not hold their interest at heart.

  • Ommigosh, I hope I didn't contribute to the RWNJ cause. My post was satire, and a quote from a movie (comedy). And of course I completely agree with your point. : )

  • I love DSG back.

  • At least the pepper shaker had a little "salt" in it.

  • TrDem55

    And NO guns, or threats of using the second amendment rights...

    Why do Teabaggers bring GUNS to political rallies?

    who are they affraid of?

    Not US the mostly unarmed left

    Not the government...what American government ever used guns.....OH well there was NIXON and

    "4 dead in OHIO"

    The few, the paranoid, the teabaggers...

  • DSG

    I love Laffy.