TPC Exclusive! Oil disaster whistleblower's VIDEO: After Deepwater Horizon fire, were sharks feeding on bodies?

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Here I was, minding my own bloggy little beeswax, when out of the blue, I got an e-mail from someone who will be referred to as "boricua1968". He was a safety officer for the BP oil disaster clean-up operations and has quite a story to tell.

He provided me with documentation of everything he chronicled to me, but unfortunately, it's too much to post here. Trust me when I tell you there are pages and pages of forms, photos, slide shows, certificates, you name it.

Boricua1968 actually taught the training class that Barkway, another excellent source of mine, has referred to. He found me via The Google:

I just googled ‘fake HAZWOPER certificates’ to see if anybody had done a story about it and your blog was one of the results.  I agreed with what you had already written and decided to reach out to you.

I will now let him do the talking:

I can provide proof of fake HAZWOPER certificates and e-mails from my company regarding our loss of per diem and reduction in wages if you would like to see them.

I was a Safety Officer for the spill cleanup operations at Port Fourchon, LA and for boom operations and cleanup stationed on a barge in the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet off of Hopedale, LA. Like one of your readers stated, the smart people left when the pay reductions came around.  I left for that reason and the inability to procure safety equipment for the workers.

I was a Lead Safety Officer at Port Fourchon, LA operations and on a barge with a boom maintenance flotilla out of Hopedale, LA.  Out of at least 500 laborers that I oversaw, very few actually knew how to don PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) such as a Tyvek suit (one of the most basic PPE’s for this line of work) yet every single one of them claimed to hold HAZWOPER certifications.  The majority of them were Hispanic workers hired by a staffing agency called ‘The Tamara Group’ which is contracted to a company called ‘Oil Mop’.  On the barge, hardly anybody even knew what a Tyvek suit was much less how to put it on to protect themselves properly.  (This ‘donning’ and ‘doffing’ is a substantial part of HAZWOPER training).

One time, I had a need to see the HAZWOPER certifications for a certain group of employees and the Tamara Group refused to send me copies of them.  Eventually, Oil Mop provided me the copies that Tamara had sent to them and I noticed that the certificates were not properly formatted, didn’t include the instructor’s license number or contact information, and had the word ‘occupation’ misspelled. It was a very poorly made computer-generated certificate that made me immediately suspicious.  I asked the persons to whom the certificate was issued about their training and they advised me that they had only had a brief (couple of hours) orientation provided by the female owner of the staffing agency.  I asked them questions about specific training modules required to be taught in the HAZWOPER class and NONE of them had any idea what I was talking about.  I can send you a couple of these certificates... [He did]

I was told not to question the lack of training of these individuals and one of the upper management responded by saying, “So what, oil isn’t that toxic and they are getting the job done anyway.”

On the barge, workers were discouraged from reporting accidents and injuries and there was a concern about TB at one time so I offered to have PPD tests done on everybody but I was told not to make that request because they did not want to alarm anybody on-shore that there may be a potential problem if it turned out to be nothing.  All HAZWOPER workers are supposed to have a complete physical before being assigned to work but none of them had even visited a doctor prior to being stationed on the barge.

We were told many times (from my initial orientation in Mobile, AL to daily briefings in Port Fourchon, LA) that if we ever spoke to ANY reporter from any media outlet, we would be fired on the spot.  We were prohibited from taking photos although I took thousands once I got to the point that I didn’t care if they caught me or not.

On the barge, we were supposed to be paid for a 24 hour day but that was reduced to a maximum of 16 hours on July 1st (they actually made it retroactive to June 24th and I had to fight to get the pay until the day of our notification).  On Sunday, July 4th around 5:00 pm, we received an e-mail stating that we would no longer receive any per diem but that certain expenses would be covered if receipts and records were properly kept. These two events reduced our income by about 50%.  Later, the allowable reimbursements were so restricted that hardly anything was going to be reimbursed.  When I complained, my boss sent me an e-mail stating that the scope of this project was big enough to be considered a ‘resume builder’ and that I should, basically, be grateful to be working on it.

We could not get gloves, insect repellent, sunscreen, proper footwear, etc. on the barge and many PPE had to be shared or re-used.

I have a video of sharks feeding on the bodies of some of the victims of the Deepwater Horizon disaster…that was never released to the public and the families were never informed of the ghastly probability.

Here is that video:


We were not evacuated during the threat of Hurricane Alex but when the smaller TD Bonnie came through, the ENTIRE Gulf of Mexico was evacuated.  When we left on July 22nd, there was a shitload of oil out there…when we came back on the following Monday, there was nothing.  I can’t say, with authority, what happened to it but the rumors abounded that there were some heavy duty dispersant applications over the weekend when there were no witnesses out on the waters.  Many said that it was more than a coincidence that an American was named as head of BP that same week.

I also have pictures of a baby pelican that was oil soaked and rescued by us [see further down the post]…upper management ordered us to take it to an island near the boat and let it go…they did not want to deal with the paperwork of having to report the distressed wildlife.

...

I am listening to the radio interview of ‘Martha’ [Barkway] and the PEC training that she had to go through.  I had a higher level of that training but actually taught the training class that she is talking about.  I can send you the slide show for that training. [He did]  I asked for the test for that training and was told, via e-mail, to make up my own questions and to strive to pass EVERYBODY.

E-mail from boricua1968 on June 22, 2010, to that effect:

Good Morning,

I received the packet for the Module 2 training which has the instructions for registering the participants, the printout of the Module 2 PowerPoint presentation, and the student answer forms with the temporary cards.  However, it did not have the test anywhere in the package.  Could you e-mail me a copy of the test so that I can go ahead and give the class?

Here's the response:

There is no formal test for Module 2 other than what you would like to do.

Moving on:

The risks are minimized and these were not readily available to the workers regardless…especially the Hispanic workers that were not provided copies in Spanish.

[T]here is nothing substantial in that training…it is basically an ‘overview’ and MIGHT be considered an introduction to a more detail oriented course to prepare workers for the toxins that they may encounter.  Anyway, it shows that ‘Martha’ [Barkway] was right about it being just a PR show that BP is concerned for the worker’s safety.

[M]inimal training was provided after the workers had been there for a couple of months.

Here are the suspect certificates...notice how 'Occupational' is misspelled. [It was spelled with one "C"] Compare those to mine. [He provided me with several certificates, including his own]

[I]t is illegal to provide certificates to people that have not received adequate training.  There have been several people arrested for this same thing after Katrina.

And about those illnesses we hear so much about:

I had some concerns about a ‘sickness’ that was going around on the boat and myself and a colleague are still plagued with an upper respiratory infection and we believe it came from that project…I was concerned that some of the workers may not know how to go about determining that and remembered that most of them had not had a complete HAZWOPER training.

This next part struck me:

Truth be known, I am a Conservative and usually vote Republican but right is right and wrong is wrong. They have exposed these workers to some serious health issues and contracted companies who charged a high price per hour while only paying $10-$12/hr to the immigrants. In the interest of full disclosure, I was making $18.00/hr at a minimum of 16 hour days, 7 days a week, and was originally given a $160.00/day per diem on top of that.  These workers on the barge never received a per diem and were only paid for 12 hour days while the workers on the ‘beach’ received $20.00/day per diem and the rest was pocketed by the staffing agencies or contractors.

[W]e were not allowed to share even minimal amount of information [about personal protective equipment] with the workers.

He then shared a more personal story regarding stress management:

Supervisors and up would take naps during the day (myself included) and we would jokingly refer to these as stress naps.  We were not allowed to distribute this memo to the workers (who were not allowed to be below deck or in their bunks during working/standby hours) and were not even allowed to mention stress naps to anybody other than management.  Remember, I was not a direct supervisor so I had no say in what the workers should be doing during hours that they were being paid but I can guarantee you that anybody in a Supervisory position or above took naps while the workers were not allowed to.

I feel bad but, I had the opportunity to take naps and I took advantage of it…I was tired of being there anyway and I wasn’t going to be a champion of workers’ rights and lose any advantages that I had.  I hope that doesn’t make me appear to be a ‘monster’. [It doesn't]

Remember how compassionate BP spokespeople are in those genuinely heartfelt commercials that are airing now? Yeahnotsomuch. Oh, and patriotism? Fugetaboutit:

And an AMERICAN FLAG!!! They wouldn’t even provide us with one.  I bought the flags that you will see in the video with my own money.  BP and its contractors would not supply them to fly above the vessels.

Speaking of compassion:

Here is the oil covered bird that we were told to take to an island and set free instead of calling Wildlife officials:


Re: Paranoia, firings, blackballing:

..I was asking to get a copy of my OSHA 10 and 30 Hour certifications.  They did not want to release these certifications to anybody for the stated reason of a suspicion that the person may go to work for another company but, more than likely, they were concerned about the legitimacy of these certificates and didn’t want them floating around (I have never worked for a company that withheld certificates of its employees’ accomplishments).  This particular e-mail also demonstrates the fragile nature of employment on the BP project where people were threatened with being fired and ‘blackballed’ for any small reason. [I have a copy of the e-mail]

As of June 24th, the worst oil disaster in U.S. history was no longer considered to be an emergency:

This is an e-mail showing that our pay would be reduced by 8 hours per day apparently because BP no longer considered this to be an ‘emergency’ as of June 24th, 2010 while the oil was still gushing full blast into the Gulf. [I have a copy of the e-mail]

And here are a few more grenades he threw my way:

E-mail indicating the exodus of trained safety supervisors due to working conditions and being managed by inexperienced personnel.  One company actually started replacing trained employees with untrained family members. [I have a copy of the e-mail]

E-mail indicating that we were supposed keep a lid on any problems that may arise. [I have a copy of the e-mail]

This is the Site Safety Plan...notice on the next to the last page it requires that all workers submit to a medical examination prior to being deployed.  Not a single one of us had an examination. [I have a copy of the plan]

They didn’t want us to fail anybody…on the back of the instructor sheet it actually says: “I, the instructor, agree that any and all questions skipped or answered incorrectly by the student have been reviewed and that the correct answer has been written in the space provided.”

Objective: Fraud, abuse, & profit.

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  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Thank you Chris H. Borei.

  • Borei2009

    I will, once again, apologize for any offense I caused with my comments. I only posted my concerns and after much discussion back and forth, apologized for any insult I committed. I have said that I respect this site and Laffy.

    I have also, never attempted to hide who I am, there, let me say that my name is Chris H. Borei. I am 39 yo married man residing in Duncan, SC (That is where 'Duncan' comes from on CL, because they do not have usernames, only locations). I belong to no political party and vote solely on the individual issues and candidates.

    Laffy, once more, I apologize for any problems I have caused your site.

  • Borei2009

    First, I have already apologized if my tone was wrong. Second, whether you believe me or not, I have stated before that this is the first time I have ever been on here, therefore the first time I have ever posted.

    I am not sure why you are attacking me well after everything has transpired and I have apologized for any offense.

  • CAVAGLIONE

    YEH, YEH, YEAH!!! GO, GO GO!!!!

  • CAVAGLIONE

    YEH, YEH, YEAH!!! GO, GO GO!!!!

  • CAVAGLIONE

    that sharks were feeding on a body could not be verified and therefore release of such a video without evidence could be considered at the least irresponsible and at the most, slanderous

    SLANDEROUS TO WHOM, YOU HALFWIT? THE SHARKS? ARE THEY GOING TO FILE SUIT? ARE YOU PERHAPS IN REALITY THEIR LAWYER? WHAT A RIDICULOUS CREEP YOU ARE!!! AND YES, AS PADDY WROTE, FUCK OFF!

  • CAVAGLIONE

    that sharks were feeding on a body could not be verified and therefore release of such a video without evidence could be considered at the least irresponsible and at the most, slanderous

    SLANDEROUS TO WHOM, YOU HALFWIT? THE SHARKS? ARE THEY GOING TO FILE SUIT? ARE YOU PERHAPS IN REALITY THEIR LAWYER? WHAT A RIDICULOUS CREEP YOU ARE!!! AND YES, AS PADDY WROTE, FUCK OFF!

  • CAVAGLIONE

    YOU EXIST TO GET PEOPLE ANGRY. YOU'RE WHAT'S CALLED A PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE, EXCEPT YOU'VE TURNED THAT INTO A FINE ART, AS I WROTE IN MY FIRST POST HERE. (It seems to me that you get a kick with idiotic statements like those in your first post;; then, when challenged you push and ask for more; eventually somebody rightly tells you to fxxx off, and then you act like a whimpering victim. You didn't even think to say, God, I hope those are corpses there, not live people! And that's because you're the center of the world!!! )

    THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS HALFWIT IS TO JUST IGNORE HIM, NOT TO ANSWER ANY OF HIS POSTS. .

  • CAVAGLIONE

    YOU EXIST TO GET PEOPLE ANGRY. YOU'RE WHAT'S CALLED A PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE, EXCEPT YOU'VE TURNED THAT INTO A FINE ART, AS I WROTE IN MY FIRST POST HERE. (It seems to me that you get a kick with idiotic statements like those in your first post;; then, when challenged you push and ask for more; eventually somebody rightly tells you to fxxx off, and then you act like a whimpering victim. You didn't even think to say, God, I hope those are corpses there, not live people! And that's because you're the center of the world!!! )

    THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS HALFWIT IS TO JUST IGNORE HIM, NOT TO ANSWER ANY OF HIS POSTS. .

  • CAVAGLIONE

    OH, MAN! FXXK OFF!!!!

  • CAVAGLIONE

    OH, MAN! FXXK OFF!!!!

  • Cavagllione

    GO AWAY!!! lay off on all this crap about openly sharing and your honest views. Go get a job, watch TV, get some exercise, go to a shrink---just GO!!!

  • Cavagllione

    GO AWAY!!! lay off on all this crap about openly sharing and your honest views. Go get a job, watch TV, get some exercise, go to a shrink---just GO!!!

  • Cavaglione

    Plus, even if those weren't sharks eating people or bodies, what do you think would happen to the corpses in the water a couple of hours or half a day after they were blown into it? You don't think predators would eat them? No matter what you think of course they would, and on a human level, it's an awful thing tothink about or witness, especially for the poor fasmilies of those workers. And now don't pipe up again with some other idiotic statement about how being eaten by sharks or whatever predator is essentially recycling those bodies and using their resources down to the bones, if bones aren't eaten too. I honestly would expect a smartass answer like that...

  • Cavaglione

    Plus, even if those weren't sharks eating people or bodies, what do you think would happen to the corpses in the water a couple of hours or half a day after they were blown into it? You don't think predators would eat them? No matter what you think of course they would, and on a human level, it's an awful thing tothink about or witness, especially for the poor fasmilies of those workers. And now don't pipe up again with some other idiotic statement about how being eaten by sharks or whatever predator is essentially recycling those bodies and using their resources down to the bones, if bones aren't eaten too. I honestly would expect a smartass answer like that...

  • Cavaglione

    I for one can't wait to see what other gems your twisted sense of righteousness will inspire you to spew off here.

  • Cavaglione

    I for one can't wait to see what other gems your twisted sense of righteousness will inspire you to spew off here.

  • boricua

    As far as the 'shark' video goes...I wanted to share that to up the ante for the victims' families. In cases of negligence, an employee that dies quickly to some released chemical usually winds up with his/her family receiving a lesser amount of money than someone who died as a result of being ground up in some type of machinery. In short, grisly and ghastly equals more compensation.

    It is possible that some may have had visions of a simple drowning or carbon monoxide inhalation as the cause of death...since the bodies have not been recovered, we will never know the cause of death but now we may have an idea as to the disposition of the bodies. I was not trying to shock anybody but the mere possibility of this ghastly ending should entitle the families to a higher compensation from one of the world's richest companies.

  • Cavaglione

    No, I think this last writer said what he did say because you're acting like a Philistine. What did you want, the guys in the boat to get off, take a camera and go take pictures of the alleged sharks so they could post them his for Your Highness Royal? Those guys thought it might have been sharks in the "distrubance," they didn't say they were, and maybe they weren't. But it certainly wasn't minnows or squid doing all that water displacement.You come off as a real pain in the axx, and I'm not surprised you turn people off. I doubt you express " honest, non-atrtacking viewpoint(s)." It seems to me that you get a kick with idiotic statements like those in your first post;; then, when challenged you push and ask for more; eventually somebody rightly tells you to fxxx off, and then you act like a whimpering victim. You didn't even think to say, God, I hope those are corpses there, not live people! And that's because you're the center of the world!!!

  • boricua...

    I am the Safety Officer referenced in Laffy's article. I contacted her after reading some blogs in regards to 'Barkway'. I thought that my story would make a good balance for 'The Political Carnival' since 'Barkway' was on the receiving end of policies that I (we) were mandated to implement. I do not have a blog; I am not a writer; and I do not have a following...TPC is all of that. Another reason for my choosing this outlet was that the mainstream media has a tendency to sensationalize a subject for 'flash' ratings and then you never hear about it again. I wanted to submit it to somebody that was genuinely interested.

    I am, historically, a Conservative and TPC is a Liberal site (admittedly one that I had never even been to before last week) and, although political agendas played no role (although I did express my political leanings to her in one e-mail) somebody like Laffy HAS to perform extreme due diligence with a story like this as there may be some out there willing to provide misinformation in order to discredit the liberals as fanatics or conspiracy theorists. I guarantee you that she asked for (and received) documentation from me on every topic that we discussed and that nothing in her article deviated or exaggerated any of the details that I submitted to her. She quoted me verbatim and nothing was taken out of context.

    WDSU (NBC) in New Orleans did a story once on a security guard that would not allow their anchorman access to interview the workers. That security guard was later transferred to the Houma, LA command center and was subsequently fired. The same security guard contacted the station and they ran him live from a satellite affiliate for three nights making claims that BP had fired him because he had taken a picture of something that they did not want the public to see. He never once stated what it was that he took a picture of and the 'investigative reporter' never once asked him to describe what it may have been. Laffy asked me to document every single subject that I broached with her and I am satisfied that she reported it accurately.

    As to any doubters (especially) borei2009 who posts antagonistically as 'Duncan' on the Rants and Raves section of the Greenville, SC Craigslist), I have seen many news stories wherein absolutely no documentation has ever been produced or, even, referenced. Many 'whistleblower' reports have absolutely no documentation...just the employee's accusations which may, or may not, lead to an investigation of his/her claims. Laffy has the documentation and there are many reasons that she may not have reproduced them electronically. Apart from her limited space, she may well have been trying to protect her 'source' or other employees referenced in the documentation against any backlash from one of the largest and richest companies in the world. Borei2009 deems that to mean that her article may not be an accurate one...I deem her decision to be responsible journalism. (The facts outlined in her article are not even 'sensational'...they just basically confirm, from a reliable source, suspicions that have already been brought to light...but she certainly didn't 'invent' all of the details...she reported them).

    I am not a disgruntled worker. I was not fired and am not trying to lash out at any of the companies involved. I have no agenda except to get the facts out there in a responsible manner. I chose TPC and I will continue to use Laffy as an outlet for any information or insight that I may be able to provide.

    Thanks for reading this diatribe.

  • http://twitter.com/Tymlee Michelle Matthews

    On a far more important subject than responding to the somewhat schoolyard arguments from Borei2009, what outrages me more than the possibility of sharks doing what sharks do, is the deception BP and its affiliates participated in during the entire clean up operation. False safety certification, suppression of information, patent disregard for safety workers' safety, and the list goes on. BP just never seems to learn that cutting corners is not only far from cost effective, but actually the diametric opposite - incalculably costly in monetary and human terms.

  • http://twitter.com/Tymlee Michelle Matthews

    Borei2009 Your tone and substance bear a striking similarity to another comment poster I saw here some weeks back whose sole objective, it appeared, was to aggressively attack the author. Your demands for proof are laughable considering the number of court cases there are every day across the country predicated upon the right of journalists to protect their sources and bureaucracy's wish to know these sources. I'm not certain what newspapers, news shows or blogs are your habit to read, but I read a wide cross section and I have never seen any journalist include source names (unless explicitly given the right to divulge that information) and/or substantiating documentation.

    So is born our trust in a journalist or broadcaster. A journalist develops a certain reputation for reliable fact reporting and the public has a choice to accept what they report or not without the behind-the-scenes fact-checking being broadcast in conjunction with the report. Contrary to your demands, that Laffy provide the substantiating documentation, I would argue that the responsibility is yours to find proof to the contrary if you don't have the requisite trust in her journalism to accept the facts as she presents them. I for one, do have that trust which is why I choose to read her blog.

  • Blacktiger

    Paddy and Gottalaff, you are so patient!! Trolls are like sharks and should never be fed.Love the post and gives me vindication for my own thoughts for all the bullpatties that the media was feeding the populous.

  • Borei2009

    I would just like to apologize for any anger I have caused. My initial comment was never intended to upset or attack anyone. GottaLaff, I am sorry if I seemed to be disrespecting your work on this blog. I only posted initially to share my views and questions regarding the article. I never intended to cause a big uproar over it. This is your blog and I respect your right to run it however you say fit.

    If you would like me to leave and never post a comment on yours or Paddy's blog again, I will. Just let me know.

    Thank you for your time and your patience.

  • Borei2009

    I came her because of a link I found posted to this article, and had every intention of reading it and moving on, but maybe I will stick around and read some other articles and post my views on them.

  • Borei2009

    So, honesty, truthfulness and having an opinion that differs from yours makes me a troll and boring. Well I ma sorry to be such a bother. I guess you would rather attack me personally than discuss things with me.

    Thank you, again, for your time.

  • Borei2009

    Okay, so now it is funny that I do not care for curse words to be directed towards me?

  • Paddy

    "Cuss"? Did you wewwy say "cuss". That is so cute, I'm temped to ask you to stick around. But, on the other hand, if you must go, we will bear the pain with sorrow and nostalgia.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Sorry, the routine is unoriginal and ineffective. Your assumptions (again)

    are wrong. You seem to take pleasure in spending a lot of time on repetitive

    and faulty arguments that require no further response.

    Come to think of it, you fit the profile of the type of troll who very

    politely provokes, refuses to know when to quit, then feigns innocence, does

    the "Hey, I thought this was a forum!" routine, and then excuses himself and

    toddles off. Unoriginal, very old, and makes me wonder why you aren't doing

    something productive.

    We've seen it all before, and it's really boring.

    We're done here.

  • Borei2009

    So, once again, I am being asked to leave this blog, because I have questions and do not 100% agree with not providing any documentation? You feel the need to cuss me out for expressing an honest, non-attacking viewpoint.

    Is your goal to only have readers that agree with every thing you post?

    Thank you for your time.

  • Borei2009

    So that is your answer to someone who doesn't blindly agree with everything you say and ask you for proof? Your answer is to attack them personally?

    Also, I have not once attacked your blog or the way you do things. I have pointed out that I questioned why you posted no documentation, and in subsequent posts have only asked for documentation of some sort. As for my use of the phrase "100's of pages", I never claimed this was a quote for you and was used as literary exaggeration to make my point. I apologize if there was any confusion on my using that phrase.

    I thought a comment section was a place to openly share our views on what you have posted. I only expressed my views and asked the questions I felt needed answering. I have not attacked you personally nor asked that you change the way you do things.

    I assumed you wanted people's HONEST views when they posted in your comments. Am I wrong on this?

    Once again, thank you for your time.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Nice try.

  • Paddy

    Really, with your incredible knowledge of all things journalistic, you should be teaching a community college class in Reno instead of wasting your time humping random blogs for thrills.

    Once again, get a life, leave this blog alone and, fuck off.

  • Paddy

    Dude (or Dudette as the case may be), who died and left you Blog God? I'm sure if a dead tree or other type of journalist wanted to take this further, Gotta would provide what they needed, but for the abbreviated form necessary for a blog post, this is just dandy.

    In other words, get a life, leave this blog alone and, fuck off.

  • Borei2009

    So, I am just supposed to accept your word that everything you are saying is the truth, and if I don't then screw me, because you don't have to prove anything you say.

    That is a very interesting way to approach someone who was not calling you a liar; just questioning why you did not posts ANY documentation. I have said before that I was never asking you to post all of it, just some of it.

    As for comparing yourself to everyday newspapers, I do not see the comparison. Most newspapers have editorials boards and fact checking and lawyers and things of that nature to oversee and verify the veracity of anything their reporters submit for printing. This does not mean they are always truthful, but it gives them a larger degree of blanket credibility than a blog that, as near as I can tell from reading through it, is only two bloggers. I see no evidence of any outside editorial board or fact checking group.

    Again, I am not saying you are a liar - I never have. All I am asking is that, if everything you published is true, then post some of the 100's of pages of documentation to verify the veracity of your accusations.

    Thank you for your time.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    No, I did not reveal my source, nor did my source reveal him/herself. They

    were obscured and used a pseudonym. You sure seem to think you know a lot

    about what I do, and you continue to make assumptions about things you know

    absolutely nothing about.

    If you read my post, you'll see I actually did include one email exchange.

    There's your one piece of documentation that you seem so fixated on. Again,

    you don't like my style, go somewhere else. I've gotten terrific feedback on

    this post, so this is clearly your problem.

    Next, I never said anything about "100s of pages" of documents. I said I had

    a lot of stuff, but never quantified it. You're accuracy is more in question

    than mine at this point.

    And finally, I have no idea how to post a pdf file or do power point

    presentations. But if I did, my choice was to tell the story via my source's

    emails. Feel free to start your own blog using your methods. Stop telling me

    how to write mine.

    This is called... reporting. When a periodical quotes someone, nobody

    demands that the paper post a link to the audio or their interview. They

    trust the reporter to write down what the person says.

    Again, if you don't trust what I'm telling you, that's your problem. I don't

    do things your way, I do them mine. You seem intent on trying to convince

    me, for whatever reason, that I've been somehow remiss. I'm not convinced,

    nor are my readers.

    Now go play somewhere else. I'm sure there's someone out there who would

    love you to critique them. I have a feeling it's your one area of real

    expertise.

  • Borei2009

    Okay, now, because I question your source and have asked for some semblance of proof to back up your claims, I must work for BP.

    Personally, I think most corporations like BP are money hungry organisms that feed on the needs of others. I have said multiple times that I do not hold them blameless. You are just make some large claims here and seem unwilling to discuss posting even one piece of credible evidence. For the record, I have not said that you are a liar or that your story is untrue. I have only asked for something to back up your claims.

  • Borei2009

    Well, apparently, you revealed your source (since they interviewed them), which gave you credibility. You are claiming to have 100's of pages of documentation, yet you refuse to post even one piece to demonstrate your proof?

    Think about if you read on some blog that the whole Deep Horizon explosion was a government conspiracy (I'm not saying it is) to force a stop to offshore drilling. Then on this blog they posted a lot of quotes from 100's of pages of documents they claim to have to support their accusations. However, on this blog, they only refer to the source by a screen name and refuse to post any of the documentation to support their claims. How much credibility would you place in this blog article? I venture to say you would ask them for examples of their documentation just like I have asked you.

    I just do not understand your refusal to post even one pdf file or one power point presentation that would back up your accusations.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    FYI, I actually did copy and paste one email, a very short one. But that's

    besides the point. I don't know how to do a lot of tech stuff as you do, but

    that's not the point either.

    I didn't do it because of the reasons stated. That's my choice. I posted,

    verbatim, every email directly from my source. Every single one. All are

    quotes from him. That's called reporting. If I don't post copies of the

    docs, but do refer to them, it's because I felt it would be too much.

    He sent me entire slide shows, he sent me pdf of docs and certificates. He

    sent me a dozen photos. He sent me emails galore. Instead of posting those,

    I posted his narrative.

    My choice. You don't like that? Your style is different from mine. Nobody

    else has complained. Just you.

    By the way, the last time I reported this type of story, GritTV felt it was

    just dandy, and Laura Flanders interviewed my source on her show. They were

    completely satisfied with my version of events, and very grateful, very

    complimentary. No questions about why I didn't post every document that

    source sent me.

  • Marnie

    Boricua1968, thanks for bringing these matter into the light of day.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Because I stated in the post that documentation exists. If you're calling me

    a liar, then you're wrong. If you're not, then you should believe what I

    have stated in the post.

    When newspapers report, they don't share copies of emails, they report on

    them. I am reporting on them, as well as other documents he shared.

    I. Have. The. Documentation. I don't need to post it, taking up tons of

    space. I cannot link to it, it's not online. Okay? Thanks.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Borei, you must work for BP. Good lord.

    I already said the sharks were the least of this. That was just a

    fascinating bit of video, so I included it.

    Believe what you want to believe. I know what I have. I've told you what I

    have. If you find that I am not a credible writer, or that my source is

    suspect, or whatever, feel free to elsewhere. I stand by my source and my

    writing.

  • Borei2009

    Excuse me! I may not have seen your documentation, but I am speaking from a standpoint of experience as a professional web designer who has built, designed and maintained over 3,000 web sites. I know how much space images, if formatted properly, take up.

    Also, I was never asking for ALL of the documentation, just SOME of it to offer as proof of the accusations.

  • Borei2009

    Okay, forgetting the shark issue altogether, why should we accept all of these accusations as fact, without some sort of documentation or proof?

    I DO care, but what I care about most is the truth. I am not saying the article is untrue or lies, but without proof or documentation, how can I, seriously, be expected to accept it as fact?

  • Borei2009

    Okay so the fact that she "vouched" for the existence of the documentation means that we are supposed to accept that as proof? That is almost funny. She could have posted at least some of the documentation to lend credence to here accusations. She is quoting an annoymous source known only as “boricua1968″ and has no actual documentation posted, yet we are supposed to just take her at her word that all of this is factual and documented? If the shoe were on the other foot and someone posted a long article with quotes claiming proof that BP had nothing to do with the spill, but offered up NONE of the documentation to back it up, would you believe them?

    Of course I am NOT saying that BP is blameless, however, there are a lot of accusations in the article and very little documentation to back them up.

    As for the sharks, you can take a "guess" at what they might have been feeding on, but there is no way to prove the accusation that they were feeding on human bodies. And, as for why you haven't seen it elsewhere, it could be 2 reasons: 1) the person who recorded it chose not to release it to the media or 2) The media chose not to run it, because the person's comment at the end that sharks were feeding on a body could not be verified and therefore release of such a video without evidence could be considered at the least irresponsible and at the most, slanderous.

    Finally, you should re-read my initial post. I stated that not providing documentation made her article suspect, as most articles presenting accusations with no evidence would be. However, I did not actually say that the story must not be true. I simply said lack of documentation make s it suspect.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Indeed, that may be true re: sharks. The video was the least important part

    of the post. However, I asked a couple of people if they'd bother to read a

    post about the other, more important aspects of the post, had I not led with

    that headline. They said, no, use the sharks, so I used the headline to get

    readers' attention. The real news is about the certificates, the workers,

    etc. not the sharks.

    I think it's sad that most people don't much care about what is going on

    behind the scenes now that the well is dead. If sharks are the bait (no pun)

    to draw attention to that, then so be it.

  • http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/ GottaLaff

    Borei, Actually, it would take up a ton of space. I have pages of

    documentation that are not anything you can link to, but that I'd have to

    take screen grabs of.

    Since you've never seen this, and I have, you are speaking from a standpoint

    of complete ignorance. That makes you suspect.

  • sharkbuster

    I started to get angry with you because your very first post was basically that since no proof was handed to you personally then the story must not be true. She stated in her article that there was lots of information and you see how long the article is already without the documentation but she quoted from the guy and vouched for the existence of the documentation personally. Did you think that she made it all up? Sharks or not....have you ever seen this video anywhere else? I wonder why.

    As far as proof of a body...the boats were to slow to get over there before the sharks had already finished their lunch so there isn't much to recover or photograph. You could deduce, though, that since the rig had not yet sunk, the garbage and galley food was still in place on the rig. Sharks do not eat oil and that was the only other thing floating near the surface. Nobody is saying that the sharks ate them alive...surely they were long dead before this video was shot.

  • Borei2009

    Oh and by the way, I am not "anonymous", as I see no need to hide behind anonymity. By username is my last name plus 2009 and if asked, I would be glad to provide my first name as well.

  • Borei2009

    I do not know why you are getting angry. My question, "who are you?" was not meant antagonistically. You said that you were there when the video was shot. I was just asking who you are that we should believe that you were there. But anyway, I, for the sake of argument, Iagree to the fact that you were there. Since your first reply, I have not argued the point of whether or not they were sharks. I can allow for that assumption. However, can you offer any type of proof that it was a body they were feeding on or any other proof for the acusations made in the article?

  • sharkbuster

    I'm anonymous...just like you are (who the fuck are you?). I told you in an earlier post that I was there which is more than you can say for yourself...bet you've never seen a shark feeding on anything. If you won't accept my anonymous voucher then you can go decide to believe that it was a bunch of goldfish eating breadcrumbs.

  • Borei2009

    First of all, who are you? Second, this still says nothing to the assumption of it being a body they were feeding on or where the proof is for all of the other allegations.

  • sharkbuster

    I was there...I will vouch for the video. And the sharks.

  • Rdbush69

    Profits have allways been ahead of safety, money makes the world go round !!

  • Borei2009

    How are we to know who is doing the video or what his experience is in identifying sharks? However, even if you accept the observation that it is a shark or sharks, from the video clip, there is absolutely NO way to ascertain what the are feeding on, much less determine that it is one of the bodies. Also, none of that changes the fact that there is no other evidence offered in the article.

  • sharkbuster

    You will never see a shark feeding with its fin sticking out of the water...except in the movies. The person that you hear exclaiming about sharks is a seasoned mariner that has many years of experience in the Gulf and in dealing with sharks. How much experience do you have with seeing sharks bite at something floating near the surface?

  • Borei2009

    Interesting article. However, you have offered absolutely NO proof to back up ANY of the claims in the article. The one video you posted shows a disturbance in the water, but no actual signs of sharks, much less anything to back up the accusation that it was harks feeding on bodies. The only reference to sharks on the video is the person recording saying he thinks sharks have found one of the bodies, but there is NO evidence to back it up. IT would not take up much space to have pages showing the certificates you speak or the actual letters or emails you speak of. By not providing one bit of the evidence you say you have, you make your entire article suspect.

  • NativeSonKY

    I'm speechless after reading and seeing all that! But, sadly, I'm not surprised. I hope they have their asses roasted. And my deep condolences again to the families of the victims.

  • BanditBasheert

    Tweeted to @KeithOlbermann

  • http://t1anddrebone.blogspot.com/ T1theinfamous

    eye opening to say the least.

  • http://twitter.com/tickle_b Kim

    Holy shit!

  • http://twitter.com/dellalee Della Lee

    Excellent reporting and writing! Your piece should be featured by MSM. The news about the sharks is explosive. 60 Minutes? Anderson Cooper? Rachel Maddow? This is the story to run tonight!

  • Dusty

    Holy fuckamoly.